Bateman vs Hanvey

The anti Alba Party agenda caught my eye again last night on Twitter as it involved someone who I used to enjoy reading a lot around 2014 when Newsnet Scotland was a site worth a daily visit before it went all anti comments, Derek Bateman, former broadcaster, and his debate with Neale Hanvey Alba MP. As I commented yesterday I have noticed a real anti Alba rhetoric being ramped up the last few days. Kevin McKenna wrote yesterday about people like James Dornan and comfy slippers Wishart and their comments about YES/Alba marchers at the weekend, anyone picking up on the theme.

It looks like Bateman has now joined the cult of Nicola, for a supposed broadcaster he sums up the light touch media scrutiny of the SNP, and especially Nicola Sturgeon, since the start of the pandemic and the election results. Now I have not followed Neale all that long on Twitter but he doesn’t really have pops at people, especially the SNP, but he does comment on strategy and what he feels we need to be doing to further the cause of Scottish Independence.

When Neale asks what Bateman expects of a yes supporting MP and what he should be doing we get to the crux of the matter if you like. People like Bateman have a real issue that politicians like Neale, and those members who left the SNP, those who have seen through the cult of Nicola, and can see her many failures in all their glory have betrayed the cult. They should have stayed and obeyed the President, so Bateman and the cultists go to their new fallback position, it is all Alba’s fault.

When Neil points out that holding Sturgeon to account is not dragging her down Bateman gets all deluded when he implies that Nicola Sturgeon is making a global impact and scares the English Government, really, and this again from a so called journalist. You just can’t make it up can you, they can’t help themselves anymore, they throw their bombs at Alba then blame Alba while trying to run the party down with gibes like 1.7% of the vote and Bateman actually thinks that Sturgeon is taking the democratic route. WTF is this man on.

Because of the amount of basically bollocks on the thread I decided to reply and ask if anyone could name all the successes of Nicola Sturgeon in the last 7 years and that her list of failure is a long one. I pointed out that part of convincing people to shift to YES is good governance, action on independence in the face of the worst Tory Government in my lifetime and I ask why we are not over 50% in the polls basically, and that this is part of the reason I am now Alba. I got no replies, why am I not surprised. The attacks on Alba are getting boring now and they really do tell a story of the fear and denial being experienced by a lot of SNP members, some people are in for a real fall when, not if, Sturgeon and the SNP fail them and let them down in the next couple of years and I can’t help but fear that Sturgeon’s final failure will result in the end of independence for the next 20 years. Sturgeon really has to go, SNP cultists really need to open their eyes and their brains to what is being done in their name by this woman, and they need to stop blaming the Alba Party and its members for their own failings which are many and grow by the day.

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15 Responses to Bateman vs Hanvey

  1. duncanio says:

    Derek Bateman taking the stance he has is a real disappointment, Like you I read him in the run up to the 2014 IndyRef and in the couple of years after before he gave up Newsnet. I liked what he said and how he said.

    Not now. He, and his ilk, prefer to blame Alba for supposedly splitting the Yes movement rather than asking why they they split off from the SNP and what is the SNP doing to protect Scotland from the current onslaught from London which aim is to emasculate this country and destroy its distinctive political culture.

    It’s pathetic.

    • Duncanio

      It is so sad, he was such a good questioner and was very balanced but the last couple of years he has just been all over the place and very intolerant. You wonder why people change like that, and esp about Sturgeon as I can’t see it no matter how hard I look, I just don’t see what people worship in her at all.

      Thanks for commenting.
      Bruce

  2. Stuart MacKay says:

    At the risk of offending Christians, all these “on the brink of success” claims are starting to look rather familiar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictions_and_claims_for_the_Second_Coming_of_Christ Certainly the ability of Nicola Sturgeon to deliver “The Second Coming of Independence” seems more faith-based than grounded in reality.

    I’d really like to see Neale Hanvey as First Minister (either before or after Independence, preferably both). He really shows a good degree of statesmanship and conducts himself with dignity.

    • Stuart

      I agree, I have been very impressed with Neale Hanvey since I started following him on Twitter. He doesn’t rise to the bate and keeps to the message and is so patient and respectful, better man than me for sure as I don’t know how he does it but he also appears to be a thinker as well and how many politicians can say that any more in Scotland. Definitely someone I would like to see lead Alba in the future if that is something that would interest him. Sturgeon, she certainly is all about Sturgeon for sure and amazing how the briefings have virtually stopped as the deaths have risen, you would think she doesn’t like to be associated with bad news.

      Thanks for commenting.
      Bruce

  3. Astonished says:

    Spot on. Bateman should apologise. He believes sturgeon’s lies, I don’t know what will force the scales from his eyes. But when he sees the truth he will be mightily embarrassed.

    Hopefully it is long before sturgeon doesn’t hold a referendum in 2023.

    • Astonished

      He has changed over the years, during the referendum he was a must read for many of us but now he has went all Sturgeon cultist which I don’t get at all.

      Thanks for commenting.
      Bruce

  4. pro WIG says:

    the real issue is you do not have a WIG

  5. 100%Yes says:

    So now we know why Sturgeon stated she has time on her side London’s wetting themselves, I would have never guessed. The more and more I hear these Sturgeon fanatics the more I get depressed. I wonder when the gold tinsel will come of Sturgeon brass neck.

  6. Lanark says:

    To use Bateman’s logic, perhaps if his side had shown some loyalty to the man who took us to the brink of success instead of trying to jail him on made up charges, there wouldn’t be division.

    Sturgeon is leading Scotland and the Yes movement into the abyss.

  7. twathater says:

    Is there something in the water up here where normal supposedly intelligent people are taken in and consumed by the cult of celebrity . I am actually frightened and horrified that so many people have fallen for this shallow narcissist with a god complex , the TRUTH is there for all to see if only they would stop kissing her arse

    I don’t care about ANY politician they are only there because they want to be , but I like many others only want a person who will genuinely work for the PEOPLE to make their lives better and I will vote for them on that understanding , if and when they fail then they have lost the respect , trust and votes of the electorate

    Sturgeon is at the failure stage she has actually worsened things for SCOTLAND and independence , her governance has been shambolic with her policies abject failures across the board with her selection of ministers only adding to that shambles

    I am sickened by this celebrity cultist adoration and sycophancy of certain politicians and I do hope people will constrain themselves when they address Alex Salmond and ALBA politicians , The Sturgeon cult of sycophants which unfortunately are many should stand as a warning to us all of placing faith in false gods

    • TH

      Agree with all of that. I can’t for the life of me get my head around the popularity of Sturgeon when her record is pretty awful across the board. Alba are the last chance for myself and the reason I joined were the other people who joined. AS played no part in my decision and while AS being leader of the party is a good thing he will be short term and there are some real possibilities for the party moving forward, I would encourage folk to join if they are of a mind,
      It may take the party a while to make an electoral breakthrough against all of the hate but the party is the way forward for me, Sturgeon wouldn’t even be talking about independence if were not for Alba.

      Thanks for commenting.
      Bruce

  8. capnandy1 says:

    Just for the record, I understand that Derek Bateman has been really very ill over the last few years, so lets cut him a wee bit of slack.
    It’s hard, realising the truth about Nicola Sturgeon, I have to admit it was with a heavy heart that I got there in the end, but the evidence was/is damning.
    I do hope that Derek Bateman will eventually see the light and come over from the dark side, his work during the 2014 referendum was an inspiration to many of us.

    • CapnAndy

      I am aware he has been ill off and on, we can all sympathise and I do, but I think he was a bit out of order personally and while I wish him all the best with his health, and I have heard he is on the mend, I do think that the Nicola myth needs challenged as she is leading the independence movement to defeat and the damage won’t be repaired in my life time that is for sure.

      Thanks for commenting.
      Bruce

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