I bought the National today and while reading about the march in London yesterday I read the comment by Jonathon Shafi of the Radical Independence Campaign.
I have been saying the same thing for two years. A people’s vote, and a remain outcome on Theresa Mays terms kills independence stone dead. I have spoken to people who feel the same and I’m glad this opinion has now been in a national newspaper.
Remaining in the EU on the terms put forward by Westminster, if the meaningful vote succeeds, only reinforces our broken political system, and it will be enough to ensure that ” now is not the time ” gains more momentum and ensures a vote on independence doesn’t take place any time soon, if at all.
I do not back a vote on Mays deal, it solves nothing and harms the yes movement in my opinion, why the SNP don’t see that is beyond me. I could get behind a vote that includes a remain option, it wouldn’t damage the Indy debate too much and would demonstrate that people are entitled to change their minds. A vote on the deal, as I’ve said, is the worst of all worlds.
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The SNP seem to have their tactics completely wrong. Now is the time to strike, the UK is in complete disarray, it’s our time. Trying to help sort the problems the English created for themselves isn’t our problen, it’s our opportunity, use it. It feels as if the SNP do not want independence or are way to scared to go for it. They have to remember if they mess this up, the support they have will evaporate and independence will die for at least a generation. And that is completely unacceptable.
Leaving a comment using the phone is temperamental and frustrating.
Ricky
I don’t thin the SNP don;t want independence, but I do think they are afraid to lose again and that they want the mythical 60% in the polls which will never come. I know many think it is time to tread slowly, that NS had to be seen to be trying everything but I don’t go with that at all. The SNP should be focussed on independence and I don’t care if some in England might look on us better because we tried to save them from themselves. As you say, that is not our job. I know about the phone thing lol, some of my typos are shocking when I am on the phone.
Thanks for commenting.
Bruce
I can understand why you think the SNP don’t actually want independence as this referendum and brexit process is glacial in its progress to a conclusion. However, how long do you think the SNP can keep avoiding the independence question once a decision has been made on Brexit without losing almost the entirety of its membership?
The SNP had to state they would honour the result of the 2014 referendum which by being shown to be committed to be anti Brexit they are attempting to do. The question is whether in the longer term is it better to dissolve the union with England in or out of the EU? This is the part that I can’t understand as I think independence gets harder with the UK in the EU. But what do I know.
Jeff
Completely agree, any sort of Brexit deal takes indy off the table in my opinion. I don’t doubt the SNP want independence but there are many like Pete Wishart who want to move slowly, wit for years and the mythical 60% in the polls, I just think that is a huge mistake.
Thanks for commenting.
Bruce
They deserved a hard Brexit . Let them get on with it . I agree that Independence will be lost if we remain .
Pauline
I know people who feel the same way but do worry about the effect on Scotland. I think even if a hard brexit is bad, if that is what that happens, then Westminster will just print more money won’t they, they do when it suits them.
Thanks for commenting.
Bruce
I don’t agree that a remain outcome necessarily prevents independence. It depends what happens to England’s political mix afterwards. Even if Article 50 is only revoked after a three-option referendum with an elimination round, there will be a Brexit Party snatching Tory votes up at the same time the TIG’s successor drains off some Labour votes.
British politics is on a long-term decline whatever happens. It might take until 2025 or 2030, but I can’t see how Britain will keep us long-term without some of that federalism shite Labour keeps trying to reheat. And England has no appetite for sharing the control it’s trying to take back.
“kill independence stone dead” is a catchy phrase. Too catchy, it could become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Would you back a vote that was between Remain and May’s deal?
Alan
Who knows what will happen anymore, I see what you mean about the ‘stop independence stone dead’ but a lot of people far smarter than myself are saying the same thing. I do think that its on a tightrope I really do and remaining in the EU or any kind of deal will be enough for the soft no’s to back away but time will tell I suppose. I did watch some of parliament yesterday and it’s a mess, they don’t know what they are doing and the Tories and Labour are all over the place. Some people are saying that a GE looks most likely now but I’m not sure what that solves to be honest.
Thanks for commenting.
Bruce
I’m not sure what is the best way forward to be honest. However I am certain that Brexit will be delayed for 21 months at least and will probably not happen at all.
Why? Well, it’s in the EU’s interest for the UK to remain. Theresa doesn’t want to take responsibility for Brexit and has already promised to stand down before the next election, so she will keep delaying for as long as she can and leave her successor to deal with it.
We are being lied to by the media (surprise, surprise), May isn’t having a tough time in Brussels. They will give her anything she wants, it’s no skin off their noses after all.
The SNP are closer to this circus than we are and will know more than we will. Where it leaves the chances for independence, I honestly have no idea.
Lanark
I’m starting to feel the same way now, there are so many different opinions and ideas that no one has a clue what’s going on. I do suspect a hard Brexit would help independence but I don’t think parliament will ever allow that, it would have to be the EU that took that step and they could I suppose as they must be sick of all of this by now but I agree that their preference would be for the UK to remain overall. Time will tell I suppose.
Thanks for commenting.
Bruce
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