Good, wouldn’t want to be associated with the stink

So John McConnell, Labour MP, has said the party would NOT do a deal with SNP in the event of Labour winning a general election but with no majority.

Good. Good because the chances of the Red Tories beating the Blue Tories are pretty slim anyway. Good because the SNP would be making a huge mistake in doing any deal with the Red Tories, the stink on the membership would be unbearable.

Labour really do live in a fantasy land. Does anyone actually believe they could win a General Election with Corbyn, I don’t because I don’t think they can win with anyone. Labour are a disgusting party, they could have made massive changes to social security putting the Tories under pressure, what did they do, abstained.

They encouraged voters to tactically vote, even vote for Ruth Davidson, to keep the SNP out as best they could. They are in coalition with Tories all over Scotland to keep the SNP from having control in some councils. Just last week they yet again refused to back a call for all social security to be devolved then had a campaign to demand the SNP mitigate the horrendous damage the Tories are doing to social security.

Labour are a disgusting excuse for a so called left of centre party, they have never been socialist, that’s just a word to attract students who haven’t lived yet. I would imagine the SNP would lose members if they ever did a deal with those untrustworthy Red Tories.

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16 comments

  1. 100%Yes

    The Labour party is a party within a party and the solicalist don’t have the numbers and the Trouble is England doesn’t trust them and the Irish don’t vote for them and Scots don’t want them so that only leaves the Welsh. They will say what ever anyone wants to hear in order to get in to governement trust me Nicola and the SNP will be the ones in charge not the Labour Party.

    • Anonymous

      100%Yes
      Labour could do so much good but they are a shambles, if they came out for independence they would be the natural party for many in Scotland if they were genuine. Now they are just a parody of the Tory Party, the poor mans Tories. They are a joke and I think pretty much unelectable now to be honest. They won’t win any general election and the SNP should stay well clear of them or be tainted.

      Thanks for commenting.
      Bruce

  2. Alan

    I think a Labour-SNP agreement shouldn’t be ruled out. The important thing is to make it clear what an acceptable price would be for the SNP’s votes.

    A DUP-style bung for Scotland?
    More devolved powers(eg. SNP’s failed amendments to Scotland Act during 2015-2017), particularly fiscal ones?
    Give Holyrood the authority to hold referendums on any matter?
    Depending whether Brexit has passed a point of no return(March 29, possibly extended), what should the SNP demand be done about it in exchange for votes?

    What do you think the SNP’s price should be?

    • Marconatrix

      Maybe it’s important to distinguish between UK Lab. (in practise English Lab.) and the ‘local’ situation in Scotland. If Eng. Lab. needed SNP support badly enough, would they not sell out their North British comrades? Hell, they’d sell their own mothers into the bargain 😉
      Also, however bad UK Lab. might be, they surely couldn’t be as bad as the present Tory government, could they? Watcha think ???

      • Anonymous

        Marconatrix
        I just don’t see much talent on the Labour benches and while they could not be any worse than the Tories, and certainly couldn’t be as cruel, they are still Britntas through and through and not to be trusted, how many times did they abstain when they could have stopped some of the worse effects of austerity, nope, not for me. I would stay well clear.

        Thanks for commenting.
        Bruce

          • Anonymous

            Maconatrix

            Some times you do, fair point, but the SNP would never do a deal with the Tories or the DUP so I would’t treat Labour any differently to be honest, they will do enough damage to themselves but saying that I really can’t see English voters voting for them in enough numbers.

            Thanks for commenting.
            Bruce

    • Anonymous

      Alan
      I must admit I really don’t think Labour can win but I am not so sure that I would do a deal with them, I don’t trust them and I worry what the link would do to the SNP. I also think that if Labour do look like they can win they will try to buy off Scottish voters with increased powers but nothing important, sadly some Scots may fall for that but overall I don’t think they would do a deal with the SNP. They are arrogant enough to believe they can win, the good thing is the Scottish branch are so useless that who in their right mind would vote for them in any numbers.

      Thanks for commenting.
      Bruce

      • Alan

        That’s not answering my question. Forget about the trust issues and imagine that the SNP has maximum leverage – say, Labour has 290 seats and the SNP has 45 for a combined total of 335.

        What would the acceptable price for SNP confidence votes be? Because so far your answer is “nothing” and that’s just crap. I suggest you sort yourself out and think about this, because otherwise you’ll be angry for very little reason when the SNP finally does cut a deal of some kind.

        I did not vote SNP to send a perpetual opposition to Westminster. I voted them to represent Scotland’s interests. If that means propping up one or the other in exchange for more devolution(especially the right for Holyrood to hold referenda), so be it.

          • Alan

            Thanks.

            Broadly, I agree. More powers and, if Brexit has happened, an IndyRef2 for sure.

            If Brexit is stopped somehow, well, I think we’d have to settle for the power to hold referendums being part of further devolution. IndyRef2 could not be held on the 2016 mandate if Brexit is stopped, but we could make it impossible for any future PM to block or delay.

            • Anonymous

              Alan

              If Brexit is stopped I can’t see how there will another referendum any time soon and that could even please some on the YES side like Pete Wishart who appear to want to wait until the mythical 60% is reached in the polls.

              Thanks for commenting.
              Bruce

  3. CapnAndy.

    There’s a lot of decent people in Labour. Unfortunately they are held back as SLAB, over the years, has turned into an organisation run by family dynasties and patronage. SLAB make the CosaNostra, Triads, Syndicates etc look like amateurs. They’ve had their day and need a cleanout and reboot.

    • Anonymous

      CapnAndy
      I think most of the decent members in Scotland left a long time ago, I know some in Dundee that are either not a member of any party now or joined the SNP. The Labour members I meet now in the city have such a hatred for the SNP that they openly say they would vote Tory to keep the SNP, what is that about. Nah, I think labour, esp in Scotland, are just Red Tories and not worth bothering about and certaily never doing a deal with.

      Thanks for commenting.
      Bruce

      • CapnAndy.

        Bruce. I can’t really disagree with that. I have to admit to exaggerating a bit when I said there’s still a lot of decent people. On reflection, there’s a few, but that’s it. Fully agree with you on never ever trusting them and I have faith that the SNP won’t. (Got to have faith in something.).

        • Anonymous

          CapnAndy
          I have more faith in people like yourslf than I ever will a political party. I have been a member of 2 to date and both times left being very disappointed overall in how they work and how little control mebers actually have.

          Thanks for commenting.
          Bruce

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