Something Annoying

Something that I am finding increasingly annoying about the SNP and YES activists is this below:

I see this a lot on social media, being used in conversations with unionists, and those ignorant of what is happening in Scotland.

You see the problem for myself is twofold, firstly they are not free, and secondly by expressing the sentiment in a way to show the benefits of an SNP Government, and I totally get why they do it, we stoke up both ignorance and anti Scottish feeling like the famous quote below from the last referendum.

Around the same time back in 2007 Simon Jenkins wrote in the Guardian

“The truth of Scotland’s economy is that, like most of Salmond’s voters, it depends on London money”

Many people still believe this crap, the unionists believe this crap, the media report this crap, and we don’t help ourselves by implying that everything is free in Scotland. I recently tweeted

in response to this view. The simple fact is we more than pay our way, if anything historically the issue of subsidy may even be that Scotland overall has subsidised the rest of the U.K. but we will probably never know given how little economic data is actually recorded from Scotland. I appreciate I might be being pedantic but I really do find this annoying. I totally support the SNP Governments policies in all of those areas and in areas like school meals would like to see them extended but they are not free, at the end of every month I can see the tax and national insurance I pay, while I’m not a high earner it is still a fair bit of my salary so can we please stop saying we get services free.



  1. Brian McGowan

    Yes, totally see this point. “Free at point of use. . . paid for by YOUR taxes” is more to the point.

    • grumpyscottishman

      I think so as I have had conversations with people down south who are fed that we get everything for free and they pay for it and the sad reality is they believe it. I really think it has to stop now and I challenge it every time now.

      Thanks for commenting.

  2. Helena Brown

    Have to agree, not free, part of our social contract with the Government. While you are at it may I say my pet hates rare Welfare, this was also part of our insurance scheme which meant we paid whilst in work so that should we not be then we were given money to survive.
    My favourite is the one that came through the letter box yesterday from the SNP which said the Tory Party’s contempt for Scotland is back with a vengeance. I wanted to correct that because what the Tories are doing is getting vengeance.
    One thing to pass along to any OAP’s is that because they voted no in large numbers, they lost out when the UK voted to come out, because their pensions would have doubled, but then Westminster’s knew that and along with banking regulations are some of the reasons for the Government’s Brexit.

    • grumpyscottishman

      I hate the word welfare and have blogged about it in the past. It is an American term used to shame people, we should never have allowed the red and blue Tories to change away from the social security term that’s for sure. It’s like the idea that the pension you pay into and the one my generation will not live to see, deliberately, is a benefit. Bastards all of them and an area where the SNP should be fighting on and the term welfare. If we must sit in Westminster then let’s show these bastards for exactly what they are.

      Thanks for commenting.

  3. MAUREEN Potter

    I tend to agree. I am a pensioner but thanks to private pensions, I pay quite a bit of income tax which I don’t mind. Throughout my working life, I paid both National Insurance and income tax. I get really annoyed when I see certain politicians calling pensions benefits. I don’t see myself as a benefit recipient!

    • grumpyscottishman

      I totally agree, it’s all about shame. Socialism for the Windsor’s and the wealthy and the free market for the rest of us. We have got to call out these scumbags but we shouldn’t be helping them with our stupid publicity or narrative.

      Thanks for commenting.

  4. Ricky

    Agreed , but we have to make it simple to get it across and that is a difficult thing to do . How do you tell half a country we pay our way and generate more than enough that Westminster will never let us go , because they can’t replace their cash cow . Ok if England got its vote , they would jump at independence , because they believe they subsidise us , which isn’t of course reality . Its the perception of being poor and not being able to stand on our own that holds people back , not the reality . That has to change really quick if we have a hope in hell’s chance of independence .

    • grumpyscottishman

      The language we use and allow them to use about us is really important and we have to get it right. I have heard the subsidy nonsense too much from people down south and it has to stop so a start would be the language we use ourselves.

      Thanks for commenting.

  5. smac1314

    You’re right Bruce,
    Language is important and the correct choice of words in this instance will emphasise we pay our way and make better choices about what to do with those taxes.

    • grumpyscottishman

      Totally agree, it’s vital and I would like to see this free nonsense stopped and the SNP challenging the terms like welfare and pensions being a benefit.

      Thanks for commenting.

  6. greig12

    I agree. Saying we get things for free is not only inaccurate it fails to transmit the more important underlying message. The emphasis should instead be placed upon what motivates the SNP to make the choices they make. I would like to see less of, the see what you get from us mentality and more about, these are the steps we’re taking to create a better Scotland that cares for the people who live in it.

    Appealing to people’s self interest is, after all, what the Torys do, so maybe we need to be playing our own game instead of theirs.

    • grumpyscottishman

      They should hammer home the social contract, get it on the floor of Westminster, talk about social security and not welfare, talk about tax and the contribution Scotland makes. In many ways show that different decisions can be made and try and allow english voters to see what they could have if they didn’t have right wing nut jobs in power.

      Thanks for commenting.

  7. John Lamb

    I agree with your comment about the flyer. The items on the list are not ‘free’ as such but have to be funded. One can understand the message they are trying to get across but more care should be taken as to how it put over.
    The impression of these benefits being funded by the ‘English’ taxpayer seems to be a narrative that is gaining traction in the South. Mmmm.. is that bad? or could it translate into some kind of political advantage for the independence movement. Especially if large numbers of English voters start to percieve ‘subsidising’ Scotland as an unnecessary burden..

    • grumpyscottishman

      I don’t think all that many English voters really care what happens to Scotland overall politically, they are fed the subsidy narrative to stoke animosity. It’s Westminster that’s the problem as they do know how much scotland contributes and know that Scotland leaving the union leaves their balance of payments in the toilet and leaves them diminished politically, that’s what they fear. They don’t give a shit about anyone else.

      Thanks for commenting.

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