Britain – War and Conflict (Enough and Not in my Name)

Today Westminster is debating wether British RAF planes should get involved in the Syrian conflict. This got me thinking about how much war and conflict we have been involved in, how many millions have been killed and injured, how much of our wealth have we spent on fighting and killing, when does it stop!

I was actually shocked with what I found out and it took a fair bit of time to put it together.

First things first, I accept that some of the conflicts and wars were maybe unavoidable, some were just, and some were for our own or the worlds protection, but most were colonialism conflicts or other people’s fights. Have we not asked enough of service men and women? Have we not asked enough of our people? Have we not asked enough of our country?

I don’t pretend to understand Isis or what it is all about, I doubt many of us do. I do think that Western military action has brought about a great deal of the problems in the middle east and I have often wondered what right we have to try to enforce our terms of democracy on the middle east who have never had that kind of democracy. I am not excusing how those countries operate, no one can be anything other than appalled at the beheadings in Saudi Arabia, the fact that it would appear that women are treated as second class citizens, and their record on human rights in general but these nations have never been any different. Do we have the right to tell them they must be like us when we also sell them billions of pounds in arms which are then used to oppress their own people, and we buy their oil etc. If we really want to bring about change then lets stop selling them weapons, lets stop buying their oil and then see if that makes the difference, I suspect it might help.

In Syria right now many of our allies are bombing Isis, for the life of me I cannot see what we will achieve by adding more bombs to the mix. Are our bombs somehow smarter bombs! Are our planes better, pilots better, intelligence better! I doubt it. I feel that all we would achieve is to make an unstable and unsafe part of the world even worse, we will add to the displacement of more people and the increase in refugees fleeing to Europe and around the world. What is the end game? What is the re-building plan? Is this the start to boots on the ground? What if Russia decides to back the Assad Government? This is a disaster waiting to happen for the UK, a disaster in a long line of disasters. I do not support the bombing of Syria, it makes no sense, we have been involved in conflicts pretty much for the whole of the union in various ways and sizes, just look at the long list below (sorry the formatting isn’t better) and I make no apology for the length of the list, it’s pretty much a list that I feel ashamed about to be honest because how many were just, how many were legal, how many made the world a better place.

The Liberal Democrats have decided to vote for bombing, Tim Farron believes his five tests have been met. I am disappointed to be honest, Tim is correct when he says ” that bombing shows diplomatic failure ” but our involvement only makes the situation worse, opens the door to boots on the ground and increases the risk of an even bigger war in the middle east, and who knows, maybe pits the west against Russia at some point. Iraq and Afghanistan were huge mistakes and have made the world a worse place, Libya is a mess so what makes us think that somehow this time we are correct, I just don’t think we are.

Not in my name, not this time.

Wars involving the United Kingdom (1707 – 2015 and slightly before)

The Great Northern War (1700–1721)
The War of the Spanish Succession Including Queen Anne’s War (1701–1714)
Civil War: Jacobite rising of 1715 including the uprising in Cornwall (1715–1716)
The War of the Quadruple Alliance including The Nineteen Uprising in Britain
(1717–1720)
Dummer’s War (1721–1725)
The War of the Austrian Succession (1740–1748)
Including King George’s War/The War of Jenkins’ Ear (Start 1739)
The First Carnatic War
Civil War: Jacobite rising of 1745 (1741–1745)
The Second Carnatic War (1749–1754)
Seven Years’ War (1756–1763)
The Third Carnatic War (1757–1763)
Anglo-Cherokee War (1758–1761)
Tacky’s War (1760)
Pontiac’s Rebellion (1763–1766)
First Anglo-Mysore War (1766–1769)
First Anglo-Maratha War (1774–1783)
American Revolutionary War/War of Independence (1775–1783)
including:Anglo-French War/Anglo-Spanish War/Fourth Anglo-Dutch War
2nd Anglo-Mysore War (1780–1784)
Northwest Indian War (1785–1795)
3rd Anglo-Mysore War (1789–1792)
Haitian Revolution (1791–1804)
French Revolutionary Wars (1793–1802)
War in the Vendée (1793–1796)
Second Maroon War (1795–1796)
Hawkesbury and Nepean Wars (1795–1816)
Kandyan Wars (1796–1818)
Irish Rebellion of 1798 (1798)
4th Anglo-Mysore War (1798–1799)

1839–1851 Uruguayan Civil War
1868 Expedition to Abyssinia (1868)
4th Xhosa War (1811–1812)
5th Xhosa War (1818–1819)
Allied intervention in the Russian Civil War (1918–1920)
Anglo-Aro War (1901–1902)
Anglo-Persian War (1856–1857)
Anglo-Russian War (1807–1812)
Anglo-Turkish War (1807–1809)
Anglo-Zanzibar War (1896)
Anglo-Zulu War (1879)
Ashanti-Fante War (1806–1807)
Baptist War (1831–1832)
Bhutan War (1864–1865)
Bombardment of Greytown (1854)
Bombardment of Kagoshima (1863)
Boxer Rebellion (1899–1901)
British Expedition to Abyssinia (1867–1868)
British Expedition to Ceylon (1803)
British expedition to Tibet (1903–1904)
British invasions of the Río de la Plata (1806–1807)
Emmet’s Insurrection (1803)
Conquest of French Guiana (1809)
Crimean War (1853–1856)
English Wars (Scandinavia) (1807–1814)
Estonian War of Independence (1918–1920)
First Anglo-Afghan War (1839–1842)
First Anglo-Burmese War (1824–1826)
First Anglo-Sikh War (1845–1846)
First Ashanti War (1823–1831)
First Boer War (1880–1881)
First Carlist War (1833–1840)
First Kandyan War (1803–1805)
First Opium War (1839–1842)
First Taranaki War (1860–1861)
Second Māori War
Flagstaff War (1845–1846)
Freedom Expedition of Peru (1820)
Ga-Fante War (1811)
Great Iraqi Revolution of 1920 (1920)
Greek War of Independence (1820–1830)
Gunboat War (1807–1814)
Hundred Days (1815)
War of the Seventh Coalition
Hutt Valley Campaign (1846)
Indian Mutiny (1857–1858)
Invasion of Waikato (1863–1866)
Third Māori War
Irish War of Independence (1919–1920)
Klang War (1867–1874)
Selangor Civil War
Latvian War of Independence (1918–1920)
Mahdist War (1884–1889)
Merina Conquest of Madagascar (1810–1817)
Peninsular War (1807–1814)
Portuguese Civil War (1828–1834)
Rebellions of 1837 (1837–1838)
Red River Rebellion (1869–1869)
Revolt of the Mercenaries (1828)
Second Anglo-Afghan War (1878–1880)
Second Anglo-Burmese War (1852–1853)
Second Anglo-Maratha War (1802–1805)
Second Anglo-Sikh War (1848–1849)
Second Ashanti War (1863–1864)
Second Boer War (1899–1902)
Second Egyptian-Ottoman War (1839–1841)
Second Kandyan War (1815)
Second Opium War (1856–1860)
Arrow War
Sikkim Expedition (1888)
Somaliland campaign (1920) (1920)
Taiping Rebellion (1850–1864)
Te Kooti’s War
Part of the New Zealand land wars (1868–1872)
Temne War (1801–1807)
The 6th Xhosa War (1834–1836)
The 7th Xhosa War (1846–1847)
The War of the Axe
The 8th Xhosa War (1850–1853)
Mlanjeni’s War
The 9th Xhosa War (1877–1879)
The National War in Nicaragua (1856–1857)
Third Anglo-Afghan War (1919–1919)
Third Anglo-Burmese War (1885)
Third Anglo-Maratha War (1817–1818)
Third Ashanti War (1873–1874)
Titokowaru’s War (1868–1869)
Turkish War of Independence (1919–1923)
Wanganui Campaign (1847)
War of the Fifth Coalition (1809)
War of 1812 (1812–1815)
War of the Fourth Coalition (1806–1807)
War of the Sixth Coalition (1812–1814)
War of the Third Coalition (1803–1805)
World War I (1914–1918)
Urabi Revolt (1879–1882)
Adwan Rebellion (1923)
Ikhwan Revolt (1927–1930)
Great Arab Revolt in Palestine (1936–1939)
British–Zionist conflict (1938–1948)
S-Plan16 January 1939 – March 1940
World War II (1939–1945)
Northern Campaign 2 September 1942 – December 1944
Indonesian National Revolution (1945–1949)
Greek Civil War (1944–1948)
Operation Masterdom (1945–1946)
Corfu Channel incident (1946–1948)
Malayan Emergency (1948–1960)
Korean War (1950–1953)
1951 Anglo-Egyptian War (1951–1952)
Mau Mau Uprising (1952–1960)
Jebel Akhdar War (1954–1959)
Cypriot intercommunal violence (1955–1960)
Suez Crisis (1956–1957)
Border Campaign (1956–1962)
Indonesia–Malaysia confrontation (1962–1966)
Dhofar Rebellion (1962–1975)
Aden Emergency (1963–1967)
Nigerian Civil War (1967–1970)
The Troubles (1968–1998)
Falklands War (1982)
Multinational Force in Lebanon (1982–1984)
Gulf War (1991)
Bosnian War (1992–1996)
Operation Desert Fox (1998)
Kosovo War (1998–1999)
Sierra Leone Civil War (2000–2002)
2001 insurgency in the Republic of Macedonia (2001)
War in Afghanistan
Fourth Anglo-Afghan War (2001–2014)
Iraq War (2003–2009)
Libyan Civil War (2011)
Military intervention against ISIL (2014–present)

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4 comments

  1. hektorsmum

    Might have been easier to actually put in the dates when we haven’t been at war.
    Sorry for you Bruce, the Liberal Democrats signed their latest death warrant as have Labour. David Cameron must be laughing his socks of, got exactly what he wanted more indeed than he expected. I was not a bit surprised that we are now at WAR again. It is that Roman thing that England suffers from. We Celts were always more civilised than they were, even the Romans acknowledged that.
    May we survive this.

    • grumpyscottishman

      Hektorsmum
      I tweeted the party to that effect but I think I asked if this was a suicide mission started in 2010 by the party. I think certainly finished in Scotland, don’t know about England as there is a lot more support for the bombing than in Scotland. Total nightmare that we are fighting in yet another place and not because we will make a difference but because too many clowns in Westminster have a hard on for killing. What a joke of a country, my next Lib Dem meeting will be interesting, they get it with both barrels.

      Thanks for commenting.

      Bruce

  2. tris

    For the life of me I cannot understand Farron. He seems to be a most unliberal leader.

    Do we know what Willie Rennie’s team feel about this?

    • grumpyscottishman

      Tris

      I thought his 2 minute speech was a joke to be honest and he was followed by Alex Salmond whose speech was one of the best. I have no idea what farron is thinking about, Norman Lamb and one other voted against. Rennie was for the bombing like the good little Dugdale he is, they have certainly killed the party in Scotland I suspect.

      Thanks for commenting.

      Bruce

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