Get Over It………

I often get told by NO voters that I need to get over it; I need to move on, accept that I lost the referendum and stop being a bitter nationalist.

This cheers me up no end as it demonstrates that we are as correct now as we were correct then. No matter how many times I explain to NO voters that I am not a nationalist, that even though many vote SNP they are not nationalists either, that many non nationalists have joined the party. That it is not about nationalism for many of us, it is about change and the SNP is a means to that change they still don’t get it.

I suspect that the reasons many of the NO voters desire to move on has something to do with the regret, shame, and guilt that many of them are experiencing and probably will continue to experience, either for the rest of their lives, or until they get a chance to put it right in another referendum.

I have moved on from the referendum, my anger and bitterness at most of the NO voters is gone, more often replaced by pity now. There are certain unionist politicians, media and businesses that will never get any sympathy from me because they lied and deceived their way to the result they wanted with little regard to what was in the best interests of Scotland and its people. A few of them have fallen on their swords or have announced impending retirement, their dirty deed done and the pot of gold guaranteed.

However, the need for change is even more vital now than it was seven weeks ago or has ever been. 820,000 people were deemed to be living in poverty in Scotland in July of this year according to official figures, 180,000 were children and 150,000 older people. The NO vote ensures that this continues and more than likely gets worse.

CAB Scotland have reported that 898,000 sanctions were levied against those receiving benefits this year, the UK continues to provide the lowest benefits in the EU but the UK are happy to remove even this poverty subsistence, subsistence that people receive so they don’t starve to death, however many might be doing just that.

We still live in a union that benefits the few at an unacceptable and horrible cost to the many. While most people have seen their living standards fall to the extent that they are now in poverty or just getting by, bankers and the top 1% have seen their incomes rise massively, MPs have given themselves a 9% pay rise next year while continuing to pay themselves expenses in the hundreds of thousands each year while denying public sector workers a 1% pay rise, their first in 4 years.

So my message to the NO voters is this, I am in no mood, have no desire or inclination to move on. You might find the truth of this horrid union uncomfortable to accept, you might regret your decision on the day and if I can continue to make you aware of that uncomfortable truth then I will because this fight is for change and for social justice.

For most of the YES voters I know it was never about nationalism, it was about all of the above, it was about being better than we are and better than we receive. No, moving on is not an option, we are only just getting started.



  1. Sod the System


    You know my political beliefs and you are not so far off agreeing with me sometimes.

    However, here are some examples:

    2011 AV Referendum: No Victory
    2015 Liberal Democrat Manifesto: We still believe in electoral reform

    2012 House of Lords Reform Vote- agaisnt
    2015 Liberal Democtat Manifesto: We still believe in HoL reform (as do Labour)

    1974 General Election (October) – Labour Victory
    1979 – 1991 General Elections – Conservative Victories
    1997 General Election – Labour Victory

    So if Unionists are saying, get over it, then they should get over their own failings? In all cases of the above the parties did not “get over” the publics decision, if they did, why do Labour sometimes have majority and sometimes Tory? Because the public change their mind.

    It was the decision of the UK if there would not be a vote to rejoin if we voted Yes (suggesting Unionists would have to “get over it” in a Yes vote) so they have no place in saying Yes people can’t continue to campaign for what they believe in. If people gave up at the first time of asking, we wouldn’t have the lightbulb. 45% just now can be 35% or 65% tomorrow, next year or next decade. The electorate is forever changing, that is why every election is different.

    Labour piss me off greatly. You know I broke my party line and voted yes, Now they throw questions at me like “how can we trust you when you break your parties line” “your party is split” and so on. This makes me sick, half their voters voted yes and if the so called party of the people are DENYING the people of the right to vote which ever way they choose, then they are not the party to represent me. It is my choice how I vote, for what I campaign for and I will not get over people lying to my country.

    It reeks of utter hypocrisy.


    • grumpyscottishman

      Brilliant post and I think that your party are just as bad as the others. I had hoped that I could find a political home there but I just couldn’t bring myself to join a party with no principles. As you know I rejoined the SNP as my party of hope, for change. The other parties don’t deserve decent people like yourself supporting them, they are mostly liars.

      Thanks for commenting.


    • tony567052457

      Brilliantly written. Until after the referendum I never had any party affiliation, though it was rammed down my neck all the time I was an SNP sodomite (despite never voting for them).

      Which probably drove me even more to a Yes vote, and seeing Labour through these last 2 years I swore never to vote for them again, their actions were atrocious and in any other profession they would be out of a job!

      And as for being called a racist nationalist,, I was at the polling stations all day, the only flag waving national was the No lad who’s one sentence was always about being from 2 places waving a Jack and Saltier.

      Also, did not see him get attacked once, I was attacked multiple times for simply being stood there. Or for daring to say good morning. The car mounting the pavement trying to hit me (a big shiny new Merc) was about the pinnacle of the day. The driver certainly thought it funny.

      So to me, No voters are now on a level with scum, tried to see good but they were always the first to attack people regardless of what the propaganda says. And having seen that dark side of people I am certainly in no mood to let it go, those sorts of actions have no acceptability in any world. And I will never stop fighting to rid the world of them.

      • Anonymous

        Sorry to hear about your negative experiences. The worst I got was some abuse on Twitter but being in Dundee there was not a lot of openly no people to be honest. I gave up on Labour before I could even vote. My father was Labour until the 80s and then came to despise them for all of their lies and broken promises. I don’t hate no voters, I certainly despise the no politicians and media for what they spread etc. However, the fight goes on for myself until the day I die.
        Thanks for taking the time to comment and share your thoughts.


  2. Sianna MacDonald

    Another nationalist here, who is also constantly being told to Get Over It. However, the implication is that by doing so, I also quieten down about my longing for Independence, my views on the corruption that is Westminster, and never mention the griefs caused by Westminster policies in Scottish homes, especially those of the most vulnerable.
    I don’t, contrary to popular belief, walk around with a constant chip on my shoulder. I will not, though “Get over it” because by remaining tied to Independence (and my belief that yes, the Referendum was rigged and we were cheated out of it) I am enabled to do what I can towards a Free Scotland, even if all that is, is a voice online amongst so many.

    • grumpyscottishman


      The recent one I got was that YES voters, losers, are too loud lol. It would appear that NO voters would just like to return to head in sand jockholme syndrome. Like you, I have gotten over the result, doesn’t mean that I am about to stop fighting in any shape or form for a better and more fair Scotland.

      Thanks for commenting.


  3. Terry Phone

    SNP ideology is attractive to many people – many Scots may well agree with lots of points, except breaking away from the Union. After all if the Scottish labour party could embrace all the ideas of the SNP, except independence, they may well increase their numbers? Whatever YES voters may think, a lot of people feel Unions historically provide safety and security…and many voters may well have been wary of merely moving the bankers, fat cats and unscrupulous politicians to a nearer location ie Edinburgh. For the whole of the UK in general we can see by the (unfortunate) rise of UKIP that much of the population are disillusioned. Could now be the time for us all to join together for an Independent anti corporation Party or something..?

    • grumpyscottishman

      I don’t many no voters who voted no because they believed in the union, a couple but no more than that. Most, like my own brother, just didn’t believe the yes vision but rather believed Westminster fear. I’m not sure if I agree that people see safety in union to be honest, well not the kind of union that we have at the moment. Westminster only serves it’self now and gave serving the people a long time ago. It only gives as little as it can get away with now to appease and uses sanctions and fear to maintain order through people having no fight left or fear losing the little they have. a yes vote was an opportunity to try to do things differently, Labour won’t provide that because they are cowards. They don’t believe in the union any more than I do they believe in their lifestyle that’s all. The SNP are the new Labour Party, it’s why I decided to rejoin the party, with 52000 new members it will become the new left movement as the new members will ensure it does. I will admit I was down for about a day after the vote but then I relaised that this fight isn’t over because no voters want me to go away or because Labour Scottish MPs say move on. The fight for social justice is just beginning and in time it will lead to a yes vote.

      Thanks for commenting, opinion is vital so thanks for sharing yours.


  4. Malcolm Lind

    I also would not describe myself as a nationalist, BUT, as I never tire of thinking, nationalism is not the simplistic Higher or A-Level version of 19thC blood and land nonsense. We often forget that Mahatma Gandhi and Nelson Mandela were also nationalists. The ironic point that unionists are often blind to, is that they represent the legacy of the most unpleasant nationalist, enslaving and supremacist conquering power since the Roman state. The present honeyed and prettified exterior of the current British state, has mouthpieces of Britcool telling dissenters that all is for the best in the best of all possible states (apologies to Voltaire, who was much cooler than Branson, Bowie, Geldoff or Dan Snow). Excellent post.

    • grumpyscottishman

      Excellent comments, thank you. Britain is a failed elitist concept now and it is really about convincing enough people that is the case. They do however use fear and sanctions very well, they divide and rule, aided by Labour who are part of the same establishment. It really is time for people to continue to learn but once people start down a path it is hard to change that and we have started down a path now.

      Thanks for commenting.


  5. Malcolm Lind

    Oh, and to Noers, liberation struggles and resistance to complacent supremacists is a right that any reasonable person should pursue

  6. wakeupbeforeitstoolate

    Very well written with some excellent points, Grumpy…I thoroughly agree and will not be giving up the fight any time soon.

    The fact that we now have a minister for the disabled that voted strongly against any raise in disability benefits is a slap in the face for many of us who are disabled – this same minister, Mark Harper MP, expects the taxpayer to shell out for the service charges on his flat (at around £200 a month), his home contents insurance, and his personal home phone line (around £100 a month) amongst many other things. Stinks to high heaven the contempt this government has for those in poverty and unable to work.

    We have to keep pressing the truth to people and never give up!

    Thankyou for sharing this piece…have reblogged. 🙂

    • grumpyscottishman


      Thank you for your kind comments. I could not agree more, the hypocracy of some of the current elected politicians in the UK is a joke. They have basically turned things on it’s head. As Owen Jones noted, we now practice socialism for the wealthy in bail outs and capitalism for the poor by the trickly up effect. It is nothing short of a crime and one that we all have to keep raising awareness about and fighting but fighting smart by informing people.

      Thanks for commenting.


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